Newt Gingrich "Pay teens who don't get pregnant"

So he wants to pay girls who are having sex but not getting pregnant? Strange.

I think there's historical precedence for this. One of the oldest.

Bigger question, instead of paying teens to not get pregnant, why dont we just teach a conprehensive sex ed class, and give condoms to those that are of age?

I think there's historical precedence for this. One of the oldest.

Newty: "I know how to make Jesus happy... what's that thing I used to buy when I was young, fat, and ugly as sin? Oh yeah, sex with teenaged girls!"

Oh yea and Keith olbermann is such a great journalist...dems want to pay for abortions newt wants to pay for them not to get pregnant? What's the difference-

dems want to pay for abortions newt wants to pay for them not to get pregnant? What's the difference-

And Republicans would rather pay them to not get pregnant than pay for sex education. What will you do when girls are having secret abortions in order to keep getting their "not knocked up" check? Do you think this would stop teen or single pregnancy? Why don't we pay all men who don't rape women? Why don't we pay everyone who doesn't murder anybody? Let's just cut everyone a good-behavior check! How conservative!

Well Mars a national debate for paying for degeneracy or awarding good behavior is needed. I'm not saying Newt's plan is a flawless and maybe it's not even a good one, and the logistics of it would be a strange obstacle-agreed. I would rather pay for good behavior and if it effects even 3-5 percent from becoming single mothers it would save America billions of dollars

Did you know the founder of Planned Parenthood was a eugenic supporter. Look in your phone book and tell me where those clinics are in your city-99% of them are in minority and lower socio economic neighborhoods. That's a shame. In today's day and age there is no reason for unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.

I would rather pay for good behavior and if it effects even 3-5 percent from becoming single mothers it would save America billions of dollars

Sorry, but if you're paying every teen who isn't pregnant, it's going to cost much more that what you claim the US spends on single mothers. If Jesus and the threat of Hell that the crazy Christian extremists throw at these kids won't stop them from having unprotected sex, what makes you think a measly check will?

Look in your phone book and tell me where those clinics are in your city-99% of them are in minority and lower socio economic neighborhoods.

My city is made up of 60% minorities, and a majority of the people in my city are in lower socio-economic neighborhoods. That argument doesn't work here, not to mention it's a half-assed argument to begin with. Of course these clinics are there to help the poorer among us, that's who needs it.

In today's day and age there is no reason for unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.

Bull@!$%# statement, there is nothing about "today" that takes away the human urge to have sex. The reason you see so many single mothers is because of a lack of education, which is consistently opposed by so-called "Conservatives" who fear that the mention of sex will get young girls pregnant. Immorality isn't the problem, ignorance is.

I am a conservative but not dumb. I know kids are going to have sex. No amount of money is going to stop them. When they are in the heat of the moment, they aren't going to be thinking-oh wait can't have sex, I got to get that money! The money could be better spent on educating teens about safe sex. NOT ABSTINENCE EITHER! I mean safe sex. Condoms, birth control, etc. Now I am beginning to think the vine has made me less conservative;)

I live in a small town and one church (that basically runs the town) ran out our Planned Parenthood. I think it is really sad b/c the closest Planned Parenthood is in a city 35 miles north. If people can't get there, then how are they supposed to be better prepared! As for 99% of Planned Parenthood's being in poor neighborhoods, I don't think that is accurate. In the larger city to the north, they have them everywhere. In the poorest of neighborhoods and the richest of neighborhoods. You socioeconomic class doesn't mean you will or wont have sex. Rich kids are just as uneducated as the poor ones.

The money could be better spent on educating teens about safe sex. NOT ABSTINENCE EITHER! I mean safe sex. Condoms, birth control, etc. Now I am beginning to think the vine has made me less conservative;)

LOL There is nothing anti-conservative about education. Education is the key. I never even considered waiting until marriage to start having sex, but I was well educated and knew the consequences. I knew how to avoid pregnancy, and tried my damnedest, and it worked. The lack of sexual education, and the lack of intelligence produced by most public school systems is the problem. This problem leads to many more problems, such as welfare abuse, abortion, criminal teens, etc etc, but the core problem is education.

Mars:

If it's ignorance then how do you explain that kids know more about sex than ever before in the history of our nation? I do believe in sex education, but not the type they are having. Kindergartners don't need sex ed. 3 rd graders? We are sexualizing our children at too young an age, it's no wonder we have a problem. Cartoon pamphlets of penises with sores on them making STD's look like a lot of fun to kids. Herpes is great! You can deny becasuse the truth hurts, but it doesn't make it go away. Cartoons attract children's attention. Camel had to get rid of Joe the camel becasue of it. Who the hell thought of that? I could spend all day on this topic of sexualizing our children becasue I have read a lot on the subject.

Abortion is one of my most liberal stances..a holdover I guess from my old days.

...you can dismiss the planned parenthood point all you want, but it's true. They are performing racial genocide. The moral decay of the family, absent fathers, divorced parents, media, movies like kncoked up and glorify single motherhood..the feminist movement telling women they don't need no stinkin' man-I used to be subscribing MS. Magazine Gloria steinheim birkenstock wearing hippie and then I woke up and started educating myself on the other side and actually saw how the victimization hurts women worse..misery loves company. I started to see how they bastardized the very people they said they wanted to help, and selectively choosing fems they want to support-it's all hypocrisy.

Single motherhood, Although fine for some, I make enough money that if I decided to have a baby in vitro or somethng without a man, I could manage everything. You say it would not even scratch the surface by paying teens..that may be true. I don't think any dollar value was put on his plan or I missed it. BUt some true facts in the situation is kids suffer and many single mothers are so overwhelmed their kids dropout of school at a higher percnt, go to prison at a higher percent. Now there are some very good single mothers..I don't want to demonize them becasue most of them try very hard. You can turn your head and call me a zealot, but it's true.

The math: I have 2 employees that used to be on my staff (they quit when the state started garnishing their wages) that had 10 kids between them from 8 different mothers and they owed more than 100k in back child support becasue their girlfriends applied for welfare. That is just 2 people. I have two others who are wanting to pay down their child support, but they owe more than 75000 between the two. You tell me there are millions of single mothers do the math. That is only one way to calculate the savings.

Solutions and compromise must be discussed...period.

Stephanie,

You are not a conservative. DOn't even try it :) :) If you are and these people can effect your principles and values then I am very sad for you...you must be very gullible.

Mars: I am not saying it will take kids desire to have sex away. There are too many options to avoid pregnancy was my point..not to take the desire away..come on.

Actually, I am conservative in many of the other stances I hold. I was a teenage mom (17) when I had my first baby. That is why I am so compassionate on this. I don't think paying kids NOT to have sex is going to work. Heck, it wouldn't have worked with me. And before anyone can claim that I am/was what is wrong with our society, I didn't recieve governement help except WIC, for a whole 9 months. (B/c Lord knows someone will try and claim it if I don't put that disclaimer there!)

Before I came to Newsvine, I was very sheltered. I live in a small community, went to a private college, etc. I am just beginning to see that the Republican party is full of really hypocritical nuts. I am lumped in a group of people who like to censor other people's ideas and beliefs. I don't want to be part of that movement. I might still not be pro-choice but I do believe that if a woman makes that choice, we should support her in that choice. I might not agree with gay marriage but I belive gay people deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. I guess at this point, I am more moderate than conservative.

If it's ignorance then how do you explain that kids know more about sex than ever before in the history of our nation?

What's hard to figure out about "tab A fits into slot B"? That has nothing to do with intelligence. They are ignorant to the consequences (and no, not the ones set forth by Jesus, God, Allah, or any other imaginary fairy tale) and hardship of pregnancy and parenthood.

I do believe in sex education, but not the type they are having.

Ahhh of course. You agree with sex education, just not education about sex. I see.

Kindergartners don't need sex ed. 3 rd graders?

I don't know of any children in elementary school that are receiving sexual education, and my parents work for the school board. This is a myth, don't use it as "fact" unless you can show proof.

We are sexualizing our children at too young an age, it's no wonder we have a problem. Cartoon pamphlets of penises with sores on them making STD's look like a lot of fun to kids. Herpes is great! You can deny becasuse the truth hurts, but it doesn't make it go away.

I can deny it because it isn't true. Back up your claims.

Cartoons attract children's attention. Camel had to get rid of Joe the camel becasue of it. Who the hell thought of that? I could spend all day on this topic of sexualizing our children becasue I have read a lot on the subject.

I could spend all day making up bull@!$%# arguments with no facts all day too, as could any child with an over-active imagination.

...you can dismiss the planned parenthood point all you want, but it's true. They are performing racial genocide.

Then I'm sure you can provide documented proof. We'll wait....

The moral decay of the family, absent fathers, divorced parents, media, movies like kncoked up and glorify single motherhood..

Knocked Up was actually about two people who met, were irresponsible, got pregnant, and ended up together, married and co-parenting. It's actually anti-single-parenthood. Good thing you watch and comprehended it before you use it as a debating point.

The math: I have 2 employees that used to be on my staff (they quit when the state started garnishing their wages) that had 10 kids between them from 8 different mothers and they owed more than 100k in back child support becasue their girlfriends applied for welfare. That is just 2 people. I have two others who are wanting to pay down their child support, but they owe more than 75000 between the two. You tell me there are millions of single mothers do the math. That is only one way to calculate the savings.

Yeah "I know some people" is a great way to do math. You have no clue what you are talking about.

well maybe you are a conservative, but your responses don't show it at all. I know not one conservative who would flip as easily as you. I do respect your choice and I would respect your choice if you had an abortion as well although I'm glad you didn't. I hope you did not take offence to my rant on single motherhood and most conservatives don't mind giving help like WIC. It's the cycle of dependency that we are against.

I have a couple friends who are single mothers and they love their children, but they wish they would have waited becasue it's tough. It is an epidemic..The whole point that Mars successfully turned around is this argument was not meant to put an end to desire, but an incentive not to get pregnant. Big difference. Visit the www.the912project.com

Luckily, with ALOT of help, I was one of the few who didn't fall into the cycle of dependency. I finished high school, went to college and got my degree. I am now a nurse. Yeah, it might have taken me 6 years to do it but I did it! I am planning on going back for my master's degree.

I know it is a little off topic but I wish more young girls could know my story and see that just b/c you are young and have a baby doesn't mean you can't go to school and get a degree.

Mars Right back at ya...you know not of what you write. I have read many books on this subject. I'm not trying to write a book here so I'm sorry not to cite my references..I don't see many citings on your posts except bullying, personal attacks, and curse words to get your point across as usual.

Try:
ACLU V America
Death Of Right and Wrong
The 5000 Year leap
Young America's FOudation: The dirty dozen
Furor over youth sex

Or try some leftist literature by Judith Levin: Harmful to minors The perils of protecting children from sex where she says children are sexual by nature and it's normal to have a child adult sexual play. This your team making a point on why we should sexualize children..it's sick and you can say it ain't so becasue your "mommy and daddy" are screaming

Why don't you try and back up some of your crazy claims...instead of oh my mommy and daddy are teachers so I know everything...great point.

well maybe you are a conservative, but your responses don't show it at all. I know not one conservative who would flip as easily as you.

That's because you have little understanding of conservatism. Here you are arguing in favor of a program that spends tax money by paying girls to not get pregnant. That is hardly a conservative stance. You confuse Conservatism with Social-Conservatism, and they are not the same things. I am a Conservative (fiscally, pro-state's rights, pro-gun ownership) who is a social Liberal. In fact, it is due to my Conservatism that I think the federal government should stay out of people's right to marry who they wish, and right to choose their own medical proceedures. You're arguing in favor of more government control, which is anti-conservatism at it's finest. Therefore, you CC, are a pseudo-conservative.

mrs

Stephanie,

You should write a book about your story. That is a great accomplishment and you should be very proud of yourself and so should your child. Much much luck to you.

Kindergartners don't need sex ed. 3 rd graders?

Exactly what kind of sex ed is being offered to children the age you're using as examples?

Go here to page 25 and it itemizes for you. Some of this stuff I agree with, but why in kindergarten-3rd grade. I think this age group...it's more appropriate to keep them safe from predators not telling a 1st grader your penis feels good when it's touched. Trust your parents if someone trys to keep a secret from them....things like that in kindergarten but soe of the stuff....It's weird. Now they stress this is a "guideline" so not all teachers are going to teach this...read to page 35 and remember Level 1 is for kindergartners

http://www.siecus.org/_data/global/images/guidelines.pdf

Here is my thought on teaching kids that young about sex. If the parents want there kids to learn about sex at this age, they will teach them, not the school. Start teaching the kids the other stuff in like 5th grade (we know there are kids that young having sex).

My kids (8 1/2, 5 and 3) know the proper names for everything-not peepee and such but penis and vagina. That to me is teaching them some about sex ed. Yeah they don't know what these things are used for just yet but at least they know what to call everything.

Unfortunately, children are being molested before the 5th grade. Education like this is what gives them the courage to tell an adult and make it stop. Level 1 seems reasonable for ages 5-8.

How about this for sex ed stephanie:

You want your 8 year old learning that porn is realistic and wholesome. I'm no prude, but porn is not realistic nor is it wholesome and should not be presented as such.

On their website, they proclaim, “When sensitively used in a manner appropriate to the viewer's age and developmental level, sexually explicit visual, printed, or on-line materials can be valuable educational or personal aids…contributing to a wholesome concept of sexuality.” They also state, “Adults should have the right of access to sexually explicit materials for personal use. Legislative and judicial efforts to prevent the production or distribution of sexually explicit materials endanger constitutionally guaranteed freedoms of speech and press and could be employed to restrict the appropriate professional use of such materials by sexuality educators, therapists, and researchers.”

You want your 8 year old learning that porn is realistic and wholesome. I'm no prude, but porn is not realistic nor is it wholesome and should not be presented as such.

Wow, no proof of your statements, just more crazy statements. I don't know of any school that is showing 8 year-olds porn. If you have any proof of this, you should provide it. You can sit here all day and make these insane claims, but they hardly prove any point.

Adults should have the right of access to sexually explicit materials for personal use.

And this is correct. If adults want to purchase and view these materials (porn, I assume) then why shouldn't they be able to? What is your argument against that? Jesus don't like it?

Rainkiss: What are you talking about...there is nothing in their guidelines about safety from predators. That was my input...]keep the kids safe education...not that your penis feels good when touched and homosexuality in kindergarten...why and who wants their kids learning about this at kindergarten..not me? and porn is wholesome in 4 th grade...what?

YOu may want your kid to learn this, but I want them playing and running around

That was my input...]keep the kids safe education...not that your penis feels good when touched and homosexuality in kindergarten...why and who wants their kids learning about this at kindergarten..not me? and porn is wholesome in 4 th grade...what?

LOLOL! Classic! You're scared of imaginary scenarios, how cute. Oooooh, what if they start teaching our kids how good it feels to reject God and worship Satan, I heard that Liberals wanted that to happen to! Oh, AND they want to teach kids that killing Christians is cool! (when I put it in bold, it makes it more of a National threat)

Mars-it's in the guidelines from the citation I supplied to you-go look at it. OHHHH I forgot you just like to throw out human drivel, lies, and unsubstantiated drivel, but you expect everyone else to "prove it." YOu don't actually have to say anything-except oh you're stupid or tha's ^*^%&^$&$&&& whichever foul language you decide to use for the day.

When you ask me to "Cite" my sources that is just a challenge, but you have no intention of actually looking at them and I know darn well you have no books in your den to cite other than hustler and playboy. Oh NO I forgot your mommy and daddy are teachers so you know everything" Mars doesn't need to cite anything or actually read becasue he already knows it all and no one else in the whole wide world is right except for Mars.

I see you failed to cite any proof for the human drivel you have posted. Typical. You sound and look like a sound byte-typical and boring liberal who only relies on their well memorized stereotypes of conservatives. GO AWAY Im ignoring you from now on. I should have learned my lesson in the other post where you only attacked me and my way of thinking. You liberals are so tolerant Tolerant of those who you deem are lesser than you, but none that chanllenge your beleifs.

Mars,

When they start posting all in bold, time to stop baiting the conservatives and toss 'em on ignore.

Now now, Rainkiss, Mars and I are actually kind of on the same wavelength and I am conservative (although, CC doesn't think I am????). Not all conservatives are unwilling to listen to other points of view.

Granted, but you're not posting all in bold. When posts have more bold than regular typeface, I figure the poster has gone a little unstable, and if they've got anything worthwhile to say, somebody will quote it in a response. Otherwise, the 'vine is a much more pleasant place to be without people screaming at you.

CC,

Become hinged, child! In the name of Jesus, you are HEALED! No longer will the Devil lead you down these delusional paths of insanity!

Rain,

When they start posting all in bold, time to stop baiting the conservatives and toss 'em on ignore.

But it's soooooooo much fun!

Steph,

Now now, Rainkiss, Mars and I are actually kind of on the same wavelength and I am conservative (although, CC doesn't think I am????). Not all conservatives are unwilling to listen to other points of view.

And not all conservatives subscribe to this insane ideology of "Liberals wants kids to have sex and watch porn"..... you're one of the good ones ;)

I've never smoked or had a child and I am 36....can I get a check, with interest compounded from when I was 13?

THat is just a ridiculous argument...what would be your solution. Singlemotherhood costs our nation billions of dollars...it would probably save money if his program prevented even 3 percent from getting pregnant.

Singlemotherhood costs our nation billions of dollars...it would probably save money if his program prevented even 3 percent from getting pregnant.

Condoms in high school vending machines would have a higher success rate.

This whole approach to changing behaviors is not new. Our healthcare industry has been quite successful with their preventative health and wellness programs. My company did this and all our employees loved it. It made them more aware of the responsibility they had in their healthcare and keeping costs down. Some of our employees got motivated together to start a workout/change in eating regimen and lost weight. As a result borderline and high blood pressure went down, they all felt better and I gt happier more productive workers.

Not everyone participates becasue it was voluntary, but overall it was a big success.

Smoking probably costs our whole system in the trillions so why not reward good behavior instead of continually shelling out for bad? I mean our nation is the butt of the joke in the world because of our health and obesity.

Pee for pay

Yes, all girls 18 and under report to the gyno for an exam! Please are you slow? Are you kidding me? Have you ever heard of birth records. Also, the teenage mother more than likely will apply for govt assistance. Take deductions off taxes.

Cowgirl Pseudo-Conservative,

Do you think girls won't get abortions in secret if they get pregnant, just to keep the check? But I'm sure you'd rather have young women getting abortions in parking lots than have your pathetic taxes pay for them.

Oh come on Mars....do you follow me around or something on the vine...I do not think abortion should be illegal and I guess that makes me a psuedo conservative, but not all of us are out picketing abortion clinics pro-life zealots.

I don't know what would happen, and I sure as heck dont want girls in the back alley, but a national debate for solutions is not a bad debate to have. Liberals just dismiss Newt for being Newt. If obama came up with this...it would be the best idea on the planet...just try to tell me otherwise-I'll have a good comic relief in my day. It's sad that 40,000,000 babies have been aborted since roe v wade and is a testament to the degeneration of our feel good society.

What liberals don't want to face is abortion hurts women and as I have said before..3 of my friends had one and they all regret it, and they were "counseled" like " Do you know your options?" They replied "yes" COuselor "OK, then put this robe on and it'll be done in 30 minutes. "

They still think about the baby they aborted and wished they had been stronger to give it up for adoption, not get pregnant....etc.

Oh come on Mars....do you follow me around or something on the vine...

hardly, it seems like we just visit the same articles. It's not that uncommon.

Liberals just dismiss Newt for being Newt.

I can't speak for Liberals, so I don't know. I dismiss Newt for being a slick politician with an ignorant ideology that is based on his weak interpretation of delusional dogma.

If obama came up with this...it would be the best idea on the planet...just try to tell me otherwise-I'll have a good comic relief in my day.

I don't have to tell you otherwise, you have zero proof for your claim, so as it stands, your claim is just a wild accusation with nothing to back it up. I would say that if Obama came up with this plan, you'd be flying off the handle and talking about how he is a "Socialist" trying to turn America into a "socialist" country.

It's sad that 40,000,000 babies have been aborted since roe v wade and is a testament to the degeneration of our feel good society.

Ahhh yes, that feel-good society that went to war with itself over the right to own black people as slaves. That same feel-good society that wouldn't have let you vote, simply because you have a vagina, until liberal people fought for your rights. No matter how much revisionist history you digest, there was no golden age of America where Christian values ruled supreme. We haven't fallen from a glorious past, we have been climbing out of the @!$%# since we settled this place. We hadn't wiped the blood of Native Americans from our boots before we were killing fellow countrymen over the right to own people. Get real.

What liberals don't want to face is abortion hurts women and as I have said before..3 of my friends had one and they all regret it, and they were "counseled" like " Do you know your options?" They replied "yes" COuselor "OK, then put this robe on and it'll be done in 30 minutes. "

And what pseudo-cons don't want to admit is that some people NEED abortions. Some need them for medical reasons, but some radicals out there would rather tell that woman "Sorry you have to die, but an unborn child is far more important than a wife and mother of 3..... if you wanted to live, you shouldn't have been born!"

They still think about the baby they aborted and wished they had been stronger to give it up for adoption, not get pregnant....etc.

Oh, really? Well that solves it! Case closed! All abortion should be illegal, since you know some girls who yadda yadda yadda yadda. Nice logic.

Mars: what the heck are you talking about...can we come into the 21st century please. Abe lincoln was a republican. The state of our olitical atmosphere is like night and day...it's not even a valid arguemtn and as usual you don't make sense. No I realize some people need abortions. My mother had to have a late term abortion when she was 41. I would never deny a rape victim or even a teen to have an abortion so don't lecture my psuedo con ideas when you don't actually read my views and spew out lies and innuendo in your responses back reversing everything I said just tp perpetuate a conservative is a crazy right wing zealot.

I do think it's interesting that you hold on to the most irrelevant quotes in my string instead of facing the true topic..it's a rosy world out there, but I guess you do support a president who hired a kiddie porn defender dep att general. Link to that one..I'm sure your response will be adoozy.

what the heck are you talking about...can we come into the 21st century please. Abe lincoln was a republican.

And a liberal, you know, back when the Republicans were liberal. Nice to see that you have zero sense of political history, that will make this MUCH easier!

The state of our [p]olitical atmosphere is like night and day...it's not even a valid arguemtn and as usual you don't make sense.

I think you may have a slight comprehension problem, or maybe you are just allergic to facts.

I do think it's interesting that you hold on to the most irrelevant quotes in my string instead of facing the true topic..

Well, so far your comments are about 60% irrelevant quotes, 20% talking-points, and 20% "I know a guy who knows a guy" logic. Not much for me to work with, honestly.

you do support a president who hired a kiddie porn defender dep att general. Link to that one..I'm sure your response will be adoozy.

Well, no link, no evidence, no proof, only more of your speculation and GOP-Email knowlege. Get back to me when you have an argument that can hold water.

anymore bizarre than paying for abortion?

Considering that abortion is a legal medical procedure, I don't get your point.

What are you thinking about, Tom? Anything? Anything at all?

Not only that, the duplicity and hypocrisy of these "ant-racists" put most of these "clinics" where abortions are paid in minority neighborhoods. Talk about conservatives being racist...democrats are performing racial genocide through their so called Helpful minority programs. It's sick. All the while..I see people as people and most conservatives have this view of personal responsibility and individual merit for individual action. Yet, we have been villified by liberals as racist.

It's perplexing why minorities don't see through this duplicity and continue to vote democratic.

I think there was more of a subtle message in Newt's idea.

I don't think there's anything subtle about hypocrisy. The issue "Newt's idea" seeks to address is one of responsibility, and his showboating, useless prattle accomplishes nothing toward that end. Rather, it demonstrates quite clearly what he thinks about responsibility. That is: It is only practical when there is an externally generated payoff. Whatever. He learned it from the lobbyists.